I liked how he always would hold off on recommending anything.....even Double Anchor over Standard Knee Action.....even though he put DAnchor in 12-1 and 12-2 he refused to admit that anything was neccessarily all-out superior all the time.
Very cool stuff.
Must've been fun picking Homer's brain eh Lynn? Wow....
I love your adapted line from Casablanca, Drew. And I'm sure that after a couple of years of me badgering him with all kinds of questions, Homer could well have uttered Rick's other famous line:
"Of all the gin joints in all the world, you had to walk into mine!"
kind of interesting as Homer talks about a passive right arm with swinging during this audio tape...and not promoting a 4 barrel swing.
It's interesting that Tom Tomasello didn't let the commment about a passive right arm stop him or close his mind to the idea of using the right arm for swinging. 4 barrel swinging and the right arm accelerated swinging approach that Tomasello taught are two completely different swinging procedures. For those of you who have perfected what Tomasello taught, I think you know what I mean.
Checkout the Tomasello Letter series...the first video from that series....play the video at the 8 minute and 30 second mark and listen to how Tommy talks about using the right forearm....THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM...
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 04-11-2006 at 12:52 AM.
Pretty amazing that this was even recorded all those many years ago. The really great thing about listening to this, is hearing Lynn ask some of the same questions, and even struggle a bit, with some of the same concepts we "current neophytes" face today. I assume Lynn you gave permission for this to be released, and I for one thank you and whoever provided it for sharing with us.
I infer from something Homer says in the audio that he perceived the book to be more of resource for teachers of the swing rather than students. But with the help of websites like this, it has certainly made me (a student) enjoy golf so much more.
No matter how hard one tries to squeeze an answer out of Homer about component variations, he was always very liberal and gave answers such as "its strictly matter of choice, what you like and what it would do for you that goes with the rest of your swing".
This is one of my favourite bits, because it's finally confirmed what I always thought to be true:
LB: What would you say takes the club away? HK: You can take it away with anything you want to. LB: As long as you stay on the Plane? HK: Yeah, as long as you stay On Plane. As long as you have the right Loading Action...Whether you're coming in flat, low or whatever, the only thing that's really required is to stay On Plane and to observe the Plane Line. The Plane Line is really the most important thing.
I'm glad to hear that that you finally "got it". I was cheerleading for you durring the conversation. Without you understanding it first, I would be scheduling a tennis match today.
Pretty amazing that this was even recorded all those many years ago. The really great thing about listening to this, is hearing Lynn ask some of the same questions, and even struggle a bit, with some of the same concepts we "current neophytes" face today. I assume Lynn you gave permission for this to be released, and I for one thank you and whoever provided it for sharing with us.
You know, it really IS amazing! I don't have the exact date in front of me, but this conversation was recorded 25 years ago next month, and nothing in this system of golf instruction has changed. How many 'methods' have come and gone since? And how many of those few that have survived still profess their original principles and procedures?
I remember the call as if it were yesterday. Tommy Tomasello and I were sitting in the stands behind the practice tee during the Atlanta Golf Classic, enjoying a wonderful spring afternoon watching Gene Littler and Larry Nelson hit balls after their rounds. We had both become students of The Golfing Machine® in 1979 when Bobby Clampett emerged as a world-class player and drew attention to The Book. We got to asking each other questions that neither of us could answer and decided then and there to go call the only person we knew who could: Homer Kelley. So, off we went to Tommy's house. He hooked up his little cassette recorder to the phone in the living room, punched in Homer's number and the rest, as they say, is history.
For the record, I did not authorize the release of the tape, just as I did not authorize the publication of my photograph of Homer Kelley that appeared a couple of years ago in a feature article of Sports Illustrated. Further, I had no knowledge that the tape was being promoted on Peter Croker's new site www.crokergolfsystem.com. But, also for the record, had I been asked, I would have had no objection to it. The Golfing Machine® is so much bigger than any one person, and Homer's genius and words belong to all golfdom, not just to the few who were there. I am humbled to have had the privilege of working with Homer, and I am proud to be playing today least a small part in bringing his work to the forefront of golf instruction.
For his part, Peter Croker is a champion golfer and teacher who is doing a magnificent job communicating TGM concepts around the world. He wrote a note last year inviting me to participate in his U.S. tour and, while we were not able to connect, the groundwork for a future association was laid. Our own Lee Dietrick (ldeit) was and is an integral part of that connection.
And, finally, this third time for the record, the reason Tommy's and my tape (and so much more) have not appeared on this site is that I was advised early on by the current owner of The Golfing Machine, LLC -- first orally and later in writing -- that doing so would be an infringement on the "rights" they alledgedly hold to the name, image and voice of Homer Kelley. Through counsel, I requested documentation of those "rights," but I received none. Nor was my request even acknowledged. Nevertheless, respecting the notice given and not wanting to test those murky waters at this time, I have refrained from any public dissemination of my recordings. Also pursuant to their written order, we no longer sponsor the Homer Kelley Award -- despite the prior approval and participation in the 2004 Award by The Golfing Machine, LLC -- and have removed from the site all threads relating to it, including recognition of its deserved recipient, then 17-year-old Matthew Sluzinski.
For the record, I did not authorize the release of the tape, just as I did not authorize the publication of my photograph of Homer Kelley that appeared in Sports Illustrated a couple of years back. Further, I had no knowledge that it was being promoted on another site until the link was posted here. But, also for the record, had I been asked, I would have had no objection to it. The Golfing Machine® is so much bigger than any one person, and his genius and words belong to all golfdom, not just the few who were there. I am humbled to have had the privilege of working with Mr. Kelley, and I am proud to be playing today least a small part in bringing his work to the forefront of golf instruction.
And, finally, for this third time for the record, the reason Tommy's and my tape (and so much more) have not appeared on this site is that I was advised early on by the current owner of The Golfing Machine, LLC -- first orally and later in writing -- that doing so would be an infringement on the "rights" they alledgedly hold to the name, image and voice of Homer Kelley. Through counsel, I requested documentation of those "rights," but I received none. Nor was my request even acknowledged. Nevertheless, respecting the notice given and not wanting to test those murky waters at this time, I have refrained from any public dissemination of my recordings. Also pursuant to their written order, we no longer sponsor the Homer Kelley Award -- despite the prior approval and participation in the 2004 Award by The Golfing Machine, LLC -- and have removed from the site all threads relating to it, including recognition of its deserved recipient, then 17-year-old Matthew Sluzinski.
I find what Yoda has described above interesting in contrast to one particular portion of the recorded converstation that goes pretty much like this:
HK: I couldn't grasp how the club took the path it did until I built the Inclined Plane. I think ANY instructor should construct himself an Inclined Plane . . . I was going to patent it. But I found out that IF I DIDN'T PATENT IT, NOBODY COULD. THEREFORE IT'S FREE FOR ANYONE TO USE.
Wonderful oral document of TGM teaching - feels like eavesdropping on Socrates and his students!!
So much to agree with comments above - nobody is born with TGM knowledge,everybody needs time to incubate , and patient instructors!
I can not be the only person who got a bit confused trying to replicate the hinge actions, east and west, is there roll or not etc... would it be possible for you, Lynn, to recreate your end of the telephone conversation as you remember trying to move your thumb around to replicate various hinge actions? Great video potential, opportunity for getting dressed up in your early 80's wardrobe and surely can't be treading on any legal toes as it is your memory!!
HK: I couldn't grasp how the club took the path it did until I built the Inclined Plane. I think ANY instructor should construct himself an Inclined Plane . . . I was going to patent it. But I found out that IF I DIDN'T PATENT IT, NOBODY COULD. THEREFORE IT'S FREE FOR ANYONE TO USE.
This struck a chord with me when I listened to the tape. One thing I have learned is if Mr Kelley says something like
"I couldn't grasp how the club took the path it did until I built the Inclined Plane."
He means it is important and you had better sit up and take notice.
I am at home full time looking after my Mother as she goes through the chemotherapy process. I bought in some ply and 2 x 2 to make a full size plane board that I will erect in the garden to train my downswing in-between making cups of tea and meals for her. I am making it along the lines of the one in the book with the hole big enough not to interfere with the path of my hands. Are there any plans for a full size plane board out there that I could use before I start cutting wood? Training in this device has to be way better than just using plane lasers. I will be stuck at home for at least 7 months. My plan is to use this timer to study more and absolutely own my downswing plane through training in the full size plane board. As soon as I heard Mr Kelley mention the plane board . I though it is obvious I should have done this years ago.
Having met Yoda who IMHO knows the book better than anyone. I found the questions he asked showed that was not always the case. This has given me encouragement to keep on at it as knowledge is acquired and earned and Yoda is living proof of that and an example of what can be achieved .
I was cheerleading for you durring the conversation. Without you understanding it first, I would be scheduling a tennis match today.
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