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Old 08-15-2010, 09:09 PM
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Did the PGA mess-up?
Did the PGA mess-up their big tournament?

Let’s look at the chronology:

Likely playoff player 3 is addressed by PGA official after completion of regular play. Looks like the player was told of a possible rules violation.
This appears to be a surprise to player who is now faced with decision .

BUT

Did the player have a free decision, or was he intimidated by the PGA?
Were and are the PGA decisions and intended actions going to be the same regardless of the player’s decision?
Will the PGA put the same effort now into determining if a rule violation, in fact, did take place? I think not now that the player took the penalty.

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What where the players true options. Either take the penalty OR risk an in depth review by the PGA that could result in a TOTAL disqualification for signing an incorrect score card.

No way to look at it other than the PGA messed-up big time.

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Old 08-15-2010, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
Did the PGA mess-up their big tournament?

Let’s look at the chronology:

Likely playoff player 3 is addressed by PGA official after completion of regular play. Looks like the player was told of a possible rules violation.
This appears to be a surprise to player who is now faced with decision .

BUT

Did the player have a free decision, or was he intimidated by the PGA?
Were and are the PGA decisions and intended actions going to be the same regardless of the player’s decision?
Will the PGA put the same effort now into determining if a rule violation, in fact, did take place? I think not now that the player took the penalty.

BUT

What where the players true options. Either take the penalty OR risk an in depth review by the PGA that could result in a TOTAL disqualification for signing an incorrect score card.

No way to look at it other than the PGA messed-up big time.

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If you look at the facts rationally, Mark Wilson and the PGA ruled absolutely correctly, and any other ruling would have been irresponsible and not in keeping with the USGA Rules of Golf.

How can anyone say the "PGA messed up big time." This is being chanted all over the web by people who do not have the first clue of what they are speaking.

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Old 08-15-2010, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
If you look at the facts rationally, Mark Wilson and the PGA ruled absolutely correctly, and any other ruling would have been irresponsible and not in keeping with the USGA Rules of Golf.

How can anyone say the "PGA messed up big time." This is being chanted all over the web by people who do not have the first clue of what they are speaking.

Kevin
really?
I had not seen the "chanting all over the web".
in facct- I have neither heard nor read anything on the subject.
These are my original thoughts. From my personal observations. (on TV )
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:08 PM
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really?
I had not seen the "chanting all over the web".
in facct- I have neither heard nor read anything on the subject.
These are my original thoughts. From my personal observations. (on TV )
BUT
I remain;

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You expressed your opinion, I expressed mine. I have no desire to argue further.

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Old 08-15-2010, 10:17 PM
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I agree with the Ruling that had been posted as the local rules everywhere for the player other than maybe on their bag.


Johnson to Fehrity: Maybe I should have read the Rules a little better!

You can disagree about the local rule but not about the Ruling.
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:50 PM
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The issue-to me- is not the rule but the method.
There were 2 options.
1- do not confront the player and leave him to sign his card at his own peril

2- Inform the player AND provide complete and dcisive information as to any rule violation.

The problem is that the player did not seem able to make a informed decision. And I don't think anyone known if a rule was in fact violated. No mater how it is spun.
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Old 08-15-2010, 10:50 PM
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Dumb rule, no rake and people standing in it mean it is a waste area at best. But, they put it in the rules sheet, Johnson should have seen it or his caddy should have. Kevin is right on, it still stinks though. Kaymer could be the next Bob Goalby.
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