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For the cost of my hg's I could have bought 3 sets of clubs that actually fit. |
As a matter of interest, who fitted you?
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First of all what is "standard"? HG uses 37.5 inches on a five iron. Some use 37.75, 38, 38.25 depending on the company or the shaft used. Some companies actually have different standards for different clubs. The same argument is made for lie angle. HG uses 61 degrees on a 5 iron. Other companies are more upright, again sometimes using more than one "standard". HG also changes lie angle by 1/2 degrees or less in some cases. Many companies have changed their own standards for the sake of sales. So if your HG's are 38.5 inches on the 5 iron (plus 1 inch) and 65 degrees (4 up) then what standard are you using? Please remember that every manufacturer is different. Now let's discuss shaft flex. How many cycles on what kind of shaft, at what length, etc. The reason many "experts" have a problem with HG's is because they do not understand what process is used. HG uses what is commonly called a "flat" cut in their irons, which means that there is about 1 cycle difference from club to club. A “standard” cut uses about 7 cycles from club to club. What this means is 2 completely different ways to measure flex. Which one is correct? That is for the player to determine. I enjoy the softer “feeling” short irons which a flat cut produces. HG can cut shafts either way for the player. I have learned over the years not to question the fits of other golf professionals. As we all know there are a variety of ways to teach the golf swing, not all correct. There are also a number of ways to fit a golf club, not all are correct. I personally do not think a fit can be correct unless there is feedback from the player, teacher, and fitter. When I fit golf clubs I use a launch monitor, ball flight, and video. I use the club to change motion and ball flight. I will not sell a person golf clubs unless I feel it will improve their motion and subsequent ball flight. The reason I use HG is because they are THE ONLY GOLF CLUB MANUFACTURER that stands behind the teacher/ fitter and allows changes to be made for free in the 1st 100 days. Any changes after that for one year are done at half price. Why? Because HG wants the player to improve and understands how the equipment affects motion. When you decided to buy your HG’s I am confident you did so because you actually hit the club and liked it. I would hope that a lie board was used and you did mark the clubs in the center of the face and center of the sole, If you played with them and did not like them you should have addressed this with your teacher/fitter. I have had students send testimonials to HG about how much they love their clubs then quit playing them because an “expert” said they were this or that, thus destroying their trust. Quote:
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my HG clubs
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On a personal note, I love my HG clubs. When I was fit, I fit into a 38" 5 iron, at HG's standard lie angle. I am effectively 1 degree upright under HG's scale. I'm 6 feet tall, with monkey arms :monky: . I have since been tested by multiple HG fitters that I know, and my fit has not changed since being fit five years ago. MY CLUBS ARE STILL THE SAME! So, I've saved thousands of dollars, by not having to find a new set each year that might work. Once you get the right set of clubs, there's no reason to get anything else. In addition, if I wanted another brand of clubs, I'd have to order them, remove the shafts, have those shafts SST PURED and re-installed, for an additional cost. That would be, if only by the grace of God, the shafts were of the same frequency. Or, I could just order another set of HG clubs that are already PURED from the factory. The shaft is the engine for the club and sets off the rack are inferior, in comparison to HG. As another aside, I was tested by one of my friends that works for another major manufacturer. He tested me on a launch monitor to get the hard data. His net findings were that my clubs were perfect for me. He asked me what brand of launch monitor I used when I was fitted, and I told him it was a human launch monitor, an HG Fitter. We did it by watching ball flight. When another company says, "don't change your clubs, they're perfect for you", I feel confident that I have a good match. If I thought something was better, I'd play it. |
The Art of Clubfitting
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"I think we're done." "Why?" said I. "Because you've hit the last fifty balls with that club." To make a long story short, I got my new clubs a couple of days later -- when you're ready to roll with HG, they're ready to roll with you! -- and prompted by an invite from a friend, headed to the golf course. I hadn't played a round of golf in months (January 4th). I had taught and drilled and so forth in the meantime, but I am not kidding...no golf. Results? 70. As in two-under on a championship layout. I lost a shot coming in -- :crybaby: -- and I was choking like crazy into 'the house', but I somehow nailed it down. That's the truth...and those clubs have been in my bag ever since. :) So, we know two things: First, the HG Club works, and second, I had the opportunity to be fit well. There are many fine brands of golf clubs on the market today. Unfortunately, there are not so many fine fitters. A few months ago, I found myself watching golfgnome -- Jeff Hull, GSEB, PGA, -- fitting several golfers in a Demo Day down South. What I saw, I found hard to believe. I'm watching an accountant drill shot-after-shot with his brand new, well-endorsed Driver low right, low right, low right. Jeff -- who in addition to his clubfitting and teaching talents, also happens to be the 2004 Georgia Section PGA Champion -- walks to the fitting cart, grabs a shaft and screws on a head and -- voila! -- long, high and straight. Another long, high and straight. And then one more. Back into the accountant's hands went the first Club -- the retail customer's attempt to buy ball flight. Low right. Low right. Low right. And then back to Jeff's concoction: Long, high, straight. Long, high, straight. No TGM. No hands-on coaching. No nothin'. Just a different golf club. I had never seen anything quite like it. Until the next guy. Then, more of the same! Anyway, the bottom line is that I invited Jeff up to Westchester, N.Y., to work this same magic with the private clients of Barclays Capital at our Barclays Classic Golf Academy. We weren't selling clubs, and our fitting specs were designed to be 'brand generic' and portable. Our objective was to get a club that fit into the hands of the student prior to his or her instruction. Did we get that job done? We didn't have the benefit of outdoor ball flight those four days, but the indoor launch monitors told the tale: Professionally done, regardless of brand, clubfitting works. Big time. |
My hg's did not fit.
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Please, please, please tell us all why they did not fit. Please tell us if you went through a follow-up with your teacher. If they do not fit, private message me so maybe we can fix the situation. We want the clubs to work. Blanket statements that "they do not fit" puts the blame on HG. Like I stated originally, there is a relationship between you and your fitter/teacher. If he did not want to work with you, then I blame him. But if you are going with the opinion of another fitter or club repair person, then HG can not be held responsible. We want you to enjoy your clubs and your game.
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Years ago, I paid handsomely for a custom-built set of Titlelist irons. I was fitted by a competent PGA professional and the company was given accurate specs, but what I got was nothing close. At their expense, I completely re-worked that set with a local clubfitter. In that instance, I blamed Titleist. As I should have. |
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